This is sooo helpful. I've only ever invoiced after the event, out of some sense that I first need to "prove" myself to the client and I don't want to ask for money if I have not delivered yet. But the way you put it sounds totally sensible and professional and that's what I'm going to adopt!
Yeahh it’s nice to flip the tables a bit. And I used to really struggle to know whether or not a client really wanted to go ahead or not. I wanted a big YES PLEASE button for them to press… but the next best thing was paying their deposit before the event, and paying the remaining balance on (or near) the day of the event 🤣❤️
here's one you may not know... with a story (while I wait for video footage to process)
With universities, educational in general, and even with the good old church of england, if you are a supplier then you may have to fill out an anti-slavery statement with a ton more of red tape.
Anti-slavery rules are awesome, because, well, they stop slavery as much as red tape can. It prevents a cleaning company, for example, employing illegals etc and it going under the radar.
But when you come to self employed / solo company 'us lot' who go in to do a gig and then just wanna get paid, having to say that you aren't en-slaving yourself becomes a bit of a joke.
not to mention complex because of who you have to refer to to prove you aren't.
But I came up with a bit of a solution. (story begins)
Back in the mid-1800s some well to do lady employed a painter to create her portrait. She did, however, refuse to pay him for the result but still wanted the painting. She claimed that he had provided a service, and she had sat for him, but the service wasn't good enough. And like the rest of her staff she expected a service but would only pay if it were up to standard. So the painting, effectively a service to create the likeness of her image, belonged to her.
The artist took her to court and argued that in fact he was creating a product, not providing a service. So he wasn't providing a service for which he would be paid for the result, but rather creating a product that she had contracted to pay for. In the same way as you'd order something then pay on delivery of that thing.
The judge decided you could see it equally both ways, and left it to the artist to decide. Which of course he decided it was a product - an artifact - he was providing. And the lady paid up.
I discovered this when I was trying to work out how to solve the problem with universities and a growing body of establishments.
Graphic recording, then, can be seen both ways. A recorder/translator providing a service will come under the service provider rules. However, if you can claim that you are creating an artifact, all be it in real time, then the client is buying a product at the end of the day - the artifact be it digital or a big roll of paper with marker pen all over it it, commonly known as commissioned art.
I am no lawyer, but it satisfies the educational people who I have worked with.
This is sooo helpful. I've only ever invoiced after the event, out of some sense that I first need to "prove" myself to the client and I don't want to ask for money if I have not delivered yet. But the way you put it sounds totally sensible and professional and that's what I'm going to adopt!
Yeahh it’s nice to flip the tables a bit. And I used to really struggle to know whether or not a client really wanted to go ahead or not. I wanted a big YES PLEASE button for them to press… but the next best thing was paying their deposit before the event, and paying the remaining balance on (or near) the day of the event 🤣❤️
This is gold 🤩
here's one you may not know... with a story (while I wait for video footage to process)
With universities, educational in general, and even with the good old church of england, if you are a supplier then you may have to fill out an anti-slavery statement with a ton more of red tape.
Anti-slavery rules are awesome, because, well, they stop slavery as much as red tape can. It prevents a cleaning company, for example, employing illegals etc and it going under the radar.
But when you come to self employed / solo company 'us lot' who go in to do a gig and then just wanna get paid, having to say that you aren't en-slaving yourself becomes a bit of a joke.
not to mention complex because of who you have to refer to to prove you aren't.
But I came up with a bit of a solution. (story begins)
Back in the mid-1800s some well to do lady employed a painter to create her portrait. She did, however, refuse to pay him for the result but still wanted the painting. She claimed that he had provided a service, and she had sat for him, but the service wasn't good enough. And like the rest of her staff she expected a service but would only pay if it were up to standard. So the painting, effectively a service to create the likeness of her image, belonged to her.
The artist took her to court and argued that in fact he was creating a product, not providing a service. So he wasn't providing a service for which he would be paid for the result, but rather creating a product that she had contracted to pay for. In the same way as you'd order something then pay on delivery of that thing.
The judge decided you could see it equally both ways, and left it to the artist to decide. Which of course he decided it was a product - an artifact - he was providing. And the lady paid up.
I discovered this when I was trying to work out how to solve the problem with universities and a growing body of establishments.
Graphic recording, then, can be seen both ways. A recorder/translator providing a service will come under the service provider rules. However, if you can claim that you are creating an artifact, all be it in real time, then the client is buying a product at the end of the day - the artifact be it digital or a big roll of paper with marker pen all over it it, commonly known as commissioned art.
I am no lawyer, but it satisfies the educational people who I have worked with.